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Larry Vickers on Accuracy - Dutz - 05-26-2015 This was a Facebook post from Larry Vickers today. I thought it might be worthy of discussion. Summarizing, to be comfortable/competent with your carry gun - 10 shots, 15 yards, 2.5 inches. "I get asked on a regular basis what acceptable accuracy is in a handgun or carbine. My experience has taught me the answer to this is simple; whatever accuracy is required to engage a threat target with a headshot at your effective range. However before we go any farther always remember the Vickers Rule of Gunfight Accuracy; under conditions of stress the best a shooter can hope to achieve is 50% of the inherent accuracy of the weapon/ammo he is shooting at that time. What this means is your weapon-ammo needs to shoot a group ( 5 shots min - 10 is better) of 2.5 inches or less at your effective range. This equates to a 5 inch group under stress ( at best) which is a head shot. What is effective range ? For the average shooter its 15 yds with a pistol and 50 yds with a carbine ( AR style). A skilled shooter is typically 25yds with a pistol and 100 yds with a carbine. I've been shooting and teaching for awhile now and this Approach has stood the test of time. Hope this helps." RE: Larry Vickers on Accuracy - Ringo3632 - 05-26-2015 I need to pick something like this to gauge my improvement with. That's one thing I've been bad at when I go to the range.. I'll shoot and I'll pick small goals to work on while there, but I don't do good at recording what I've done to track improvement. I'll write it all down, but no records of groupings ect.. RE: Larry Vickers on Accuracy - Dutz - 05-26-2015 FYI, he said in a response that there is not time limit for this. RE: Larry Vickers on Accuracy - Brian S - 05-26-2015 I'm a bit surprised Vickers suggests a close range headshot while under stress. I understand a few headshots would be an instant stopper. While under stress, am I wrong to say that a target 2-3 times larger along with vital organs and 5-10 rounds, a chest shot wouldn't achieve similar results? I agree at 100 yards using any high power rifle or carbine while having limited shots and time before the target takes cover a headshot would get the job done just fine. RE: Larry Vickers on Accuracy - Ringo3632 - 05-26-2015 I see what you mean, but I don't think he's recommending a head shot, I think he's just using that as a target size. Kind of like if you train to hit that size target, you'll have no problem hitting the chest. However either way I agree with you that a headshot would be a poor choice under stress aka a true self defense situation.. RE: Larry Vickers on Accuracy - AcilletaM - 05-26-2015 (05-26-2015, 11:45 AM)Ringo3632 Wrote: I see what you mean, but I don't think he's recommending a head shot, I think he's just using that as a target size. Kind of like if you train to hit that size target, you'll have no problem hitting the chest.If he is not then why mention it? He could have suggested that the 5 inch target would be well centered on the chest. RE: Larry Vickers on Accuracy - Dutz - 05-26-2015 (05-26-2015, 12:41 PM)AcilletaM Wrote:(05-26-2015, 11:45 AM)Ringo3632 Wrote: I see what you mean, but I don't think he's recommending a head shot, I think he's just using that as a target size. Kind of like if you train to hit that size target, you'll have no problem hitting the chest.If he is not then why mention it? He could have suggested that the 5 inch target would be well centered on the chest. I think he was pointing out that if you can't hit 5 inches under stress then you have eliminated the head shot from your arsenal, as you will likely miss. This was only a short facebook post and not a full tutorial. RE: Larry Vickers on Accuracy - BelieveIn308 - 05-26-2015 Real shooting at a moving target at a distance is never as easy as a fixed target at the range. I almost never shoot from a sitting position at the range as that is not one you are ever likely to engage a target from either. |